Saturday, May 24, 2008

India Today Rankings 2008 Part 1: The overview

India today published it's rankings for engineering among many other streams today. The rankings were more or less as expected but there were a few glaring anomalies.

1. Vellore Institute of Tech.
2. IIIT - A

Before you start reading any further I have one thing to say: These rankings in no way really reflect where your college is. These rankings do not consider a lot of important things. If you feel that you would rather study in college A then your present college then rank college A above yours. Be honest while doing that and you can evolve your own rankings :)

Now to the amazing facts!! VIT at no. 10 !! Well I can safely say one thing - If any VIT student was offered the chance to study in IIIT-H(ranked 13th and also my college!), I don't see him turning it down . The way I see it there are 3 major problems with VIT. Firstly the admission process is murky. Donations and back door entries galore. Secondly I don't see great faculty at VIT.(I know of CS and speak only about CS) and thirdly I don't see any great research work coming out of the place at the International level. Agreed they have great infrastructure but that's not the only thing that counts.

Secondly...Whatever happened to IIIT-A !! I know that it's ranking last year was inflated but surely IIIT-A is not as bad as JNTU hyd! This is where I'm surprised at the rankings. I have absolutely no idea how IIIT-A got to 23!! Having said that I have no idea about what is actually happening in IIIT-A! But still 23 is very weird considering some very poor colleges are in between.

Here are some major flaws I see in this ranking

1. Factors not considered : Research, curriculum, admission procedure. The reason given is that this is out of the hands of most of the institutes. Well even if it is, these things do matter!! How can you not consider these?

2. The facts provided by colleges are really hard to verify. India today has something called a factual rank in the process. This is basically a ranking of colleges on the facts they provide to certain standard queries. These are slightly absurd. For example just on the basis of facts VIT is ranked number 4 and IIT-M is 21! Some facts like placement etc are for the previous year and not for this year. The placement facts used here are for the batch that graduated in 2007 and not this years batch!

3. India today does not publish the facts and figures supplied by colleges or by any other people. I think any college should not hesitate to allow these facts to be published. This is where the whole rankings lack transparency.

4. I think India today should stop just asking people who are HoD's and deans and principals in obscure colleges. It should go and ask people who attend counselling for competitive exams. It should go and ask Graduates where they would want to join a masters programme. It should go and ask the industry and I mean the top players like Google, Microsoft, Amazon, Yahoo,Cisco, Intel etc who actually hire top quality talent, about their perception of colleges.

5.India today should also take a look at what the alumni of a college is doing and where it is placed. This is very difficult but this will give a really clear picture of how a college has developed over a longer period of time.

55 comments:

Jimmy Narang said...

Somewhat surprising that there are no comments. I would have thought that the topic would have triggered a debate (or at least, a plain old diatribe) among regular IIIT bloggers.

But then again, I suppose none of us are surprised by, or concerned with, these rankings any more.

ShArK said...

@Jimmy: Thank you for deflowering the comments section on this post :P

On a seriosu note- I'm rather disappointed with the sloppiness of the rankings.

vinu said...

well for me this ranking really doesn't matter because I know these are really flaky, for instance I remember 2 years back india today give IIIT rank 45 and it was no. 8 last year, I was at the institute all time during this monstrous development but have not seen anything viisible enough which could trigger such a monstrous growth , a jump of 10 or 20 position may be good but coming in top 10 as a university is not our cup of tea and they give it 23, on the other hand dataquest give IIIT rank 11 two years back and then it get drowned below 30 or so, these ranking are clumsy and I think they should only concentrate on political issues and convince AICTE to publish their annual confidential ranking report.

Neeraj Mishra said...

well i totallly agree to what u said... as a matter of fact i am from VIT vellore.. dun Btech ECE this summer.. your opinion about guys running upto IIIT hyd if given a choice between IIIT and VIT stands true.. u mentioned about the CS guys.. well most of them are dumb but then there are many who are bright as well and made it to MS and yahoo like u ppl do.. surely the curriculum at IIIT is way awesome.. but one's gotta accept that these rankings are flawed.. if IIIT allahbad and PESIT bangalore can make it to top 15 then i don't see any reason for VIT not making it!!!

Anonymous said...

frustrated..... u r frustrated for sure....

dude... ur college gets crores of rupees from the government for research activities....and how much does VIT get??? nothing... nill... but still I can assure you that we have more research going on than your college....and I have been to your college....

u say admission in VIT is from donation.... ya 10% seats are filled in this manner.... and supreme court has allowed VIT to do so...or for that matter any private engineering college to...

our course is designed by IIT-m and IIT-d and hence we dont lack behind in this aspect also...

and if VIT would have bought its rank than let me tell u dear der are 1000's of other private engineering colleges who r richer than VIT but supprisingly there is no other private engineering college in the top 20 spots....

Microsoft, google, yahoo and oracle all come to vit for placements too....

so there u go... research ur facts well before blogging it out...

ShArK said...

@ manu merotra's comment

You are calling me frustu! Every line you have written is factually incorrect. Are you one of those weird CS guys that the-bassie was referring to in the comment above yours?

Anonymous said...

to shark!!
u are trying to sound political but u sound foolish..who said that admission in vit is loose??im in second year vit..i have appeared for an all india examination..so where's the point of intransparency??i have attended nearly all counsellings in scene and believe me..vit was very transparent..with full electronic display and selection of seats..not like AIEEE counsellings..where u have counters of collleges..donatins are there but they are open not backdoors..!!
iiit is getting millions of rupees and how many great engineers have u produced??or any revolutionary scientist??dude,,its all the same..depends on a student..!!

im doing training in a industry these days..i met a iit-roorkee fourth year..he didnt know "encryption'..will u expect a guy who cleared jee with general quota and in cs ...to be so??
i asked him..he said..they teach nothing..its all on student...tumne koi duniya mein jhande nahi gaad rakhe hain jo iiit ko top rank mile..
secondly as far as syllabus is considered,vit is teaching everything which is required..!!

and infrastructure counts a lot...it cant be ignored..it helps us to develop..u cant compare any iiit to vit in this manner..

so when iiit..a colg with no great output..with no great syllabus...with no greater students...with no greater admission process...can make it to top 20...then vit is always there dude!!!!

Anonymous said...

and ...i have seen students turning down iiit for vit as well as vice versa...u may be a decent student..so u may be in love with ur colg..there are loyal ones in vit too..!!u cant compare some hundreds of ur strength to 13000 vitians..its a culture...not a mere institute of technology!!

ShArK said...

Why are you VIT guys getting so senti? I appreciate your passionate comments and rhetoric in support of your college but that doesn't change facts. You expect me or anybody else to believe what you wrote! And for god sakes where did you get this notion that IIIT gets crores of govt. funding?

For all future commenters: IIIT does NOT get any govt. funds. It's a self financed deemed university.

And I am coming to VIT soon. A relative of mine has counselling there. I hope you will be kind enough to give me a guided tour of your college.

ShArK said...

and yes the comment was @taru forgot that in the header :)

Anonymous said...

what vitians say is wrong and what iiitans say are facts....do u want me and the world to believe that.... stop reading India Today if u can't stand the facts...

What India today prints is and always will be a greater fact than a stupid blog...

boss I told you tht I have been to your colla. and believe me in my opinion its' at the level of VITs' knee....

Unknown said...

hey man... saale ur topic has got very heated... waise when did u strt blogging n all...
btw topic acha hain for discussion.. and as far as my comments on this topic.. nothing... dont wanna get into more arguments.. will discuss when we meet...

Gaurav Varma said...

VIT's ranking has been on the rise in the past few years mainly on account of huge investments on infrastructure development. Placements are comparable to the best non IIT colleges. So i fail to understand your suggestion that its position is undeserved. As for 10% paid seats..thats not really an anomaly, its true for the best of universities the world over. Atleast that money is being put back into developing the college.

ShArK said...

@manu mehrotra
I think you would do well to learn some etiquette. Dis-agreements happen but stooping down to personal comments and using abusive language is pretty low :( Remember when you do that it reflects poorly on you and the institution you represent. I will deal with your brick-bats in another comment

@ritukar
I have been blogging for some time now! This happened last year as well on some other blogs. Last year people from nsit felt "wronged" :)

@gaurav varma
Yes I do agree that VIT does have good infrastructure. But that's a part of the whole jigsaw puzzle. VIT is a good place but has a lot of catching up to do. I know you guys like your college and also don'treat this as VIT vs IIIT or VIT vs the rest. Chill dude :)

ShArK said...

Now to deal with manu mehrotra

1. Look at IIIT's faculty. Every single faculty member has a PhD from abroad/IIT/IISc no exceptions. Can VIT match that?

2. IIIT's placement averages abt 7 lakhs p/a averaged over 140 people. Thats an average. Does VIT compare?

3.Take any A/A+ conference in CS there would be a publication from IIIT. Does VIT comapre?

4.Many people at IIIT have chosen to study here despite having admits in IIT's. I'm myself one of those people. Does VIT attract that kind of talent? IIIT admits 250 people from AIEEE and closes at around 2000. How many people with such a AIEEE rank join VIT?

5. IIIT has about 30~40 PhD students in computer science and electronics. How many PhD/MS students does VIT have? Wait you dont even have an MS course! Just M.tech!

6. Every summer IIIT is literally infested by students from IIT's and NIT's and even people from VIT, who come here to do summer projects. Does VIT compare?

7.Every semester there are as many has 60 courses offered in computer science and electronics. Does VIT compare? True you *may* have the same courses as us but I seriously doubt that with your faculty the impact is anywhere near the same.

Seriously dude.....if you want to settle this debate once and for all go and ask your CS HoD. He'll tell you where you guys really are. And please use dignified language in your subsequent comments if any.

saikiran said...

leave it man...

everyone knows ki IIIT is better than VIT

one of my friend from vit who is like in the top 25% of the batch.. has got placed in TCS which pays him around 16k per month..

min salary in our campus is 25k per month..

VIT is no match to IIIT in CSE...

Unknown said...

hey rishabh ... its time to cool this thing down.. let not any rankings give rise to this kind of disharmony.. the facts are facts.. rankings and all are fine but they are not hard core facts...
its high time both u and manu stop disrespecting either of the colleges..u need not target any particular college...its better to target India Today rather than the college which has been put there if u have serious issues with tht...
waise take this as advice yaar..baki sab gtalk pain discuss kar lenge...

ShArK said...

@ ritukar

Agreed :)

Anonymous said...

I am a freshie who secured AIR 5901 in VIT but did not fare well in either JEE or AIEEE or BITSAT. So, I am heading to VIT. I asked some of my seniors about the college.
They say "Everything else is good. Just the faculty is a bit weak and negligent"
I wonder if that "just" is justified.
As for IIIT, Hyd. ppl in my town definitely rate it above VIT. But I dont live in Oxford, do I ?
Cheers...

Anonymous said...

@saki....

I am from VIT placed in TCS... and my package is 3.2lac/yaer....

rest of d calculation is up to u....

Gaurav Varma said...

Rishabh without disputing the facts u state let me try to put some of them into perspective.

1. The 7 lpa placement figure you state is indeed laudable and probably would place you above many IITs purely in terms of placement figures. So lets not compare that with VIT which we know has a strength of above 1000 compared to the 250(?) odd at your college.
2. The above in turn causes your institute to fill up its seats at sub 2000 AIEEE ranks. VIT has over 1000 seats (last i heard). If VIT had 250 odd seats then that would be a fair comparison.
3. The rankings, which have so pained you, were for undergraduate courses so lets not dilute the core argument by bringing in MS/PhD/MTech or Rocket Science into the picture.
I think its fair to say that one can't be the arbiter of the kind of talent the institute attracts on the basis of the flawed analogies you have made. There is a sizable VIT alumni body out there and they are doing as well for themselves as probably students from your institute.

Anonymous said...

hi mr unknown guy let me tell u one thing if u are so sure that ur college is so good as ur fallacious assumption states y didnt it get any place in the worlds best colleges? Im sure that your college doesn't have abet accredation the highest recognition given by the US to engineering universities.. so can u tell me one thing why we have that accredation when u people don't have it? And coming to research activities i demand u to give no of ieee papers presented frm ur university this year...and compare with that of my college.
coming to ur comment on nri seats or payment seats ... do u expect that people frm other countries wish to write exam and enter the university? May be u may not have known abt this because ur university doesnt have many peole frm other countries...
you commented that our infrastructure is good but thats not sufficient let me ask u one thing what u do without infrastructure in your college???
And also i ask u note down no of international conferences held in our college per month in comparision with yours....
please check out the no of MoU's from universities that we have in comparision with your iiit... which u feel better than vit by your assumptions
so statements given by u are completely illogical and irrational.

@nks said...

the same old arguments and mud shed ... like wht i have in my blog last yr ...
http://theanksden.wordpress.com/2007/06/14/dtaquest-idc-survey-of-best-t-school-in-india/

Anonymous said...

It's been great fun going through your bitter battles for academic supremacy but lets just stand back and take an objective view of the whole process.As has been pointed a number of times before, none of the indian institutions have any academic output of any note despite all their hype.I think we really should take a leaf from the Chinese universities who have really taken to research in a big way and are churning out technical papers like a factory.

I am an NIT Warangal student and I must say that our own rank is bloated and undeserved.But none of this matters because in the end no matter what a college's rank, India hasn't a single technological innovation that has actually benefitted the people and that I think is what we should be worrying about rather than bickering over which college is best.

I know IIIT is good. But if it really is at the forefront as you say it is, I honestly hope that it and the all the other institutions will work towards improving India's technical and IT prowess.

Who knows maybe then we can compare oursleves to MIT and that I feel is the only comparson worth making.

ShArK said...

@Gaurav varma
I would just say this. VIT is a reasonabley good college. But a rank of 10, ahead of colleges like IIIT, NIT-W, NIT-T and NIT-S is with all due respect,like trying to insult our intelligence.

@anks
It was NSIT last year, VIT this year! :(

@ purple horizon
I agree. Benefits from research are yet to reach the society. Right now they are just additions to the acm/ieee collection.

To be fair to Indian Academia, we have never had policies that would provide incentives for orienting our research towards practical goals. It is sad!

My point was not that IIIT is numero uno or sometihng but that we are better then some of the supposed colleges ahead of us. Roughly the same people go to IIIT-H and NIT-W(rank wise) and so I hope you can see where I'm coming from :)

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ShArK said...

@manish

wtf! what type of a comment was that! :) Just post a link instead!

Unknown said...

@ Shark

Regarding PHD's and all

Firstly you guys r jus a technical institute focusing only on CSE, ECE and PG courses in the same streams. VIT is a University having engg, commerce, BBA etc ... even in Engg we got disciplines in mech, civil etc ... The ratings take into consideration all disciplines and not jus one or two like IIIT's

VIT is a much more preferrable univ on these lines, also it has IEEE accred and is on its way to get ABET accred (International Accreds)

And u said in an earlier post that students from VIT come to IIIT for projects. Well,If your coll is a good one as you say and takes VIT guys for Projects, it does speak volumes about the quality of our students.

ShArK said...

I think these ratings should reflect how well a college is doing in the streams it offers. Depth without breadth is not good but Breadth without depth is pointless.

And as far as summer projects are considered they are offered on a fcfs basis. We don't "take" anybody. Genreally you will never be refused a summer project at IIIT no matter where you are from. IIIT likes to encourage anybody who shows an interest in CS/Ece. You can come here and do a project yourself if you don't believe me. As far as diversity is concerned it has nothing to do with rankings. I don't see how having bba and commerce makes you a better engineering college!

And as far as accreditations are concerned we have what we need :)

Anonymous said...

I was browsing through the website of iit delhi. Even they have MS( by Research) program now. Check here.. http://www.cse.iitd.ernet.in/academics/msr.html I think that IIT Chennai also started it recently(2-3years back). Seems some colleges in tamil nadu also started this program.

At least there is some impact of our unique MSBR program.

Anonymous said...

look all i want to say is vit is a private engineering college and doesnt rcv any funds from government...and as such research is funded completely by college itself amd no outside bodies....i agree we have management admissions but they r open nd not backdoor as mentioned by someone above...placements are good....we hav microsoft,google,yahoo,oracle,bosch etc visiting us...then infra is excellent...so no doubt a very good college it is....

Anonymous said...

hello everyone!!i m from vit..well thr r some pnts outta here which i go with and others i truly go against..u may be sayin that i m frm vit and thats y i m supportin it and gettin senti an all blah blah..even i dont go completely with india today rankin..they smtyms sound crazy..
but the pnt is wat u guys sayin abt vit..sme of u guys truly nt goin on rite path as far as u commentin on vit..vit with 2000 students every year..and here almost all the ppl are still gettin placed in the company with the avg salary of abt 4 lacs..nw thats pretty cool i think..all oder collgs hav very less studnt strength ..so i thin k we stand as a good coll..it has various courses.. specifically iiit h concentrate on the limited courses..i dont say we are best..urs is also fine and ours is just fine..u hav some good pnts some negative and even we hav some..so in the end just chill guys..vit has iee accrediation..and is abt to get abet accrediaion..we r goin places in some i know small but still yaar vit is the private collg..and it is makin impact..some of our students went for google prodigy finals..thr r a hell lot of things happenin in vit..so SHARK!! u just b chill rite i know ur coll is very good and this and that..but u cant underestimate..vit is good in sme aspects in whr ur coll doesn..ya..we will surely give u a guided tour on our awesome campus..

Anonymous said...

Hey can anyone give me the link to the actual list and not the article?
Also where exactly is NITK-S in all this supposed Rankings???

Anonymous said...

According to Aroon Purie Editor in Chief of India Today "Our rankings have become the benchmark for academic standards in India". For 2008, India Today issue dated June 2, 2008 carries the India's Best Colleges An Exclusive Survey. Page 88 of this esteemed magazine says IIT Chennai has 200 seats and Page 90 says IIT Mumbai has 312 seats. Year 2007 IIT Chennai had 540 seats and IIT Mumbai had 574 seats. This esteemed magazine did not have a clue to number of seats in various IITs and has gone about ranking them. Do you think it has any credibility? This is the type of guffa they did for BITS Pilani in year 2004 which has been undoubtedly one among the top ranking universities in India. Its time for India today to do Mouthshut.com about their rankings becoming benchmarks for academic standards in India.

Public is wondering as to why BITS Pilani does not figure in the India's Best Colleges Survey reported in the recent issue of India Today magazine.

For the academic year 2004-2005 BITS Pilani admissions were based on the normalized percentage of marks and when this fact was known to everyone across the length and breadth of India, the Magazine India Today went about ranking the best colleges stating that BITS Pilani admissions were based on an entrance examination. One can easily conclude as to whose credibility is at stake in this episode.

In the case of News, one should always wait for the sacrament of confirmation. Considering that the principles of good journalism are directed toward bringing the highest quality of news reporting to the public, thus fulfilling the mission of timely distribution of information in service of public interest, it must be made known that BITS Pilani stopped participating in the India Today ranking of India's best colleges for the years 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2008.

viddas said...

hiee i am from IIIT Allahabad.
i enjoyed a lot reading all the above comments.VIT guys are on fire for sure.:P and about my IIIT family members , why are you fighting over such a trivial issue , IIIT-H is the most prefered college in AIEEE,probably all guys know this, including those in VIT. VIT may be rich in its culture with students of all disciplines ,it may hav an awesome campus,over 2000 students,bba and bcom courses running but most of these factors does not helps us to determine the superiority of one engineering college over other. how does 2000 students help ur college becomes better than IIIT-H ?? how come bba leads to better environment for engineering students.
you forgot the primary issue ie. quality of students. tons of students get grade A internships from IIIT-H,have a look at the list , there performance in national level competitions clearly reflects their talent.genius like ajay somani , aryan anshuman , aryan gaurav are products of IIIT-H
who are leading the country in SPOJ .one who is seriously involved in comparing onself at national level surely would know these names. i would like to know similar names from VIT if they exists.

come guys give a break.. i agree VIT is among the best private colleges in India but IIIT-H by all means deserves a better ranking.

Anonymous said...

@ vids
who the eff are ajay somani , aryan anshuman , aryan gaurav? google didnt help. ur highness please enlighten us ignorant souls.

linusvanpelt said...

VIT is a third rate institute..all those of you who are from VIT please tell me what your ranks were in exams like AIEEE and IIT..please do...

Anonymous said...

@linusvanpelt
if ur half as moronic as ur name sounds ur unlikely to get this but let me try. u r the reason why VITians feel compelled to come here. Oh by the way my rank was 2300 in AIEEE(03).
I'd love to know what your ranks were chimp.

Anonymous said...

Cool down man .. you guys may be very good.i agree that.

boasting this much ..we are the best ..we are the best .. doesn't sound that good to me .its very childish. we are professional.. u wont be staying in your college for more than four years.what you gonna do with all those ranking after leaving ?.

it seems you are pretty happy that you will be placed/already placed in very big multi national company. i saw many many people who did their btech in a very small engineering colleges and now in Yahoo!, Google, lehman Brothers .. mere difference is they couldn't make it in one step like u.so stay cool... stop making fun of other college's ranking. What you know about VIT ??? have u ever visited that place ? do you have any idea about research over there (i am not a VIT student).without knowing all those things you are saying that if a vit student is given a chance to study in IIIT H he wont stand to IIIT H student. there you suck like anything.

what is making you so proud .a four years stay in a good college ???

best thing i can suggest you.. after finishing your btech you join Mtech and after phd den after lecturer .. in your college .. so that u can continue posting like this . my college is gr8 gr8 .. :)) .. such a foolish .. and childish thing i ever seen ..


sorry man if i hurted u ..

wish u good like

grow up buddy .. hope to see u recovered from this diseas of rankings.

Anonymous said...

hi guys i came through this blog some how and i feel like leaving some comments. I have attended almost every counselling VIT,AIEEE,IIT,BITS PILANI so i think i m well qualified to write comments about the colleges. I m in iit kgp presently and i seriously hate india today rankings. Comeon man vit in top 10 dats disgusting its no where near IIIT I know the placement scenario there and i dont think google ever have visited i campus and about IIIT man they definately deserve better rankings. After giving my exams after IIT BITS PILANI and IIIT were my only choices.

Anonymous said...

Good post man! And whatever you've said about VIT holds very true. atleast when it comes to the CS dept. Faculty are bad and I know how they get their Phd s from VIT itself ! And dont even start about research...neither the students nor the faculty at VIT know what's going on...research is just a publicity stunt carried out...it's mere acting! And I pity those who are trying to even compared IIITs with VIT. they should do a reality check....they should try and see things outside VIT before just making ridiculous statements. anyways...keep up the good work !

Anonymous said...

enuff of fighting guys...no point fighting over this issue...y u targetting vit...ok iiith might be a good college...listen all guys from iiith...its very easy to be a good engg coll when u hav to conc. on only
one branch and that too comp science or it...all colleges hav good placements and facilities as faras these branches are concerned...no offences...but i really think to be amongst good engg coll providing all branches and also branches lik biotech and bioinfo and on the top ofthat being a private coll is not that easy a task...and vit is indeed among good colleges of india...the popularity of this college among students community says it all....so plz stop commenting...every college is good in itself...

Anonymous said...

@TT

u proved ur a stupid.what ppl are saying to forget about the ranking. none compared
vit with IIIT.neither any of these ppl who commented are from VIT.. haha .. i m pretty sure about.i heard they dont have internet connection sort.

what i was telling all the way ..is to forget about these rankings. stop posting like we are gr8. no other ppl are gr8.the other colleges who got bttr rank than us are actually below us.this is kiddish. ur life should have taught u this thing.bad luck ..living in envrnmnts like IIIT made u like this.

Grow up babes ..

shailesh kumar said...

vit is no doubt fake institute,i have one story to tell, my friend rank was 1600 , while councelling they asked how much money you will pay for ece branch...... i hate this institute
shailesh

Hetero sapien said...

India Today rankings are pure unadulterated horse shit

Check out this piece I wrote after last year's rankings were released

http://bg-101.blogspot.com/2007/06/india-todays-annual-college-rantings.html

Azaad Fiza said...

i think we all r makin a big issue pout of nthn..well u NEERAJ ..just wanna inform u that google came for placements..and some of the guys did got placed out thr..i know that iiith is an awesome college with grt curriculum and a grt environment..but just wanna tell u all dont underestimate vit..even i dont go with indiatodays rankin..they really dont sound good..but comments abt vit..i think u all have to get a reality check..

Anonymous said...

Nice discussion going here. Well I do not see a point of comparision between IIIT-H and VIT. I feel that there should be ranking on the basis of streams. No doubt IIIT-H is among the best institutes in CSE and surely will come in the top five insititutes in CSE. But VIT and many other colleges have good infrastructure in many other branches. I have heard that VIT has one of the best Mechanical Engg labs. All the colleges have their postives and negatives. IIIT-H lacks streams and probably student strength and VIT lacks intellectual capital.
The rankings will look more pragmatic if they are based on specific streams. This will also help the newbies to select their college and stream.

Anonymous said...

No one has any doubt that BITS Pilani is indeed one among the top ranking universities in India yesterday, India today as well as India tomorrow. If mags like India today have become rags then you know for whom it is meant for.

Abhishek Tiwari said...

Well I don't think any issue with the ranking may be ranking parameters have are not optimized for "I" which stand for Indian Institute of XYZ...Actually few people can not digest the change...If XIT take student via donations than I must tell IITs, NITs and IIITs have 50% reservations which dilute merit very badly compared to 10% donations. Any way IITs are better place cause they got 10% very very good student and belive me if same students are in XIT,XIT will be better place than IITs. So you are in that 10% or you think you can be then plz don't get tensed over ranking, just enoy. (sorry I don't consider IIIIIITs equal to IITs and unfortunately your MIT and Stanford PhD profs @IIITs thinks same)...

Anonymous said...

=))
go sharkbhai!!
The comments on the blog were 20 mins of beautiful fun and in my jobless and boring life that was priceles. Keep at it.
And seriously man, after those perceptive, insightful and extremely intelligent arguments by those VIT students I so regret thinking that VIT was a 2 rate college and not writing its entrance exam. :P

Unknown said...

I have a few points :

1. The top colleges in the country , with the possible exception of BITS are all government owned colleges : IIT's , NIT's and the IIIT's .

2. These rankings are inaccurate because they dont actually go down to the campuses and gauge the infrastructure etc.

3. Many colleges don't participate in them. For eg, BITS doesn't and this year NIT Surathkal has refrained as well .

4. Placements are given a lot of weigtage in these rankings which i feel is secondary to faculty

5. Private colleges have a way of getting into the top :P and putting it on their website for the next 5 years.

Anonymous said...

the students from vit are taking it too far to indulge nin "a kind of" debate with iiitians.....!!
One must have his feelings deeply associated with his college...but then u cant ignore the truth....
i m a 2nd year student in nitc n i have come here after clearing viteee as well...!! n thr are many others here having done he same...
i dnt think there will be any in vit who has done just the opp

Anonymous said...

Shark
Leave the VIT students to build castles in the air . They love thier 'supercool' campus with their 1000 TCS intakes getting 15k a month . I mean after doing so horribly in all exams they are greatful that some college is accepting them and giveng them a chance to earn the 15k.

And then comes cognizant which takes 300 students.

I would say rankings should be 7 IITs NIT s,t,w IIIT h,a and pilani are the best colleges.

VIT can eat dust

Peace

Anonymous said...

hi...first of all why such a fuss about college rankings...verily speaking students themselves r aware wich colleges r better off than theirs..its a sheer scavenging of time to sit and defend ur college compared to others..rather invest your time leading to fruition...all the best to u all..india today rankings r fraudulent and even r subsidised by some colleges..thus its futile brooding over ur college position..rather try something productive and make the most of the time..instead engaging in these verbal criticism...

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